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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2017, 10:30:PM »
Again, and I predict, Shariq will LOVE this. It appeals to him (and probably you).

Absolutely. What a fantastic piece of insane art. Not literally insane, since the movie makes complete sense. This is Grade A substance shot into you through your eyes and ears. Easy among the top 3 I've watched this year.

Fizz, man... I'm so glad you got us to watch this in the cinema.
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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2017, 11:09:PM »
I read the movie two ways.

1) God-earth-Planet Earth
-- this analogy came to me when we see Ed Haris with a cut and then Pfeiffer appearing (Adam's rib = eve). I thought it might also be a Rosemary's Baby cultist movie then, but knowing Aronofsky, that would have been highly unlikely. The Cain and Able solidified this context, and the flooding absolutely confirmed it. After that, I was watching it like Tank watched theMatrix code, but sees the Matrix world. It was fucking beautiful. Even down to the crucifixion and communion scene. Wow.

2nd one in another post below.

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2017, 11:13:PM »
mother vs Mother

The reason for the small "m" is because she represents earth, not Earth.

Earth: 3rd planet of the Solar System, the proper noun. Like Mars or Jupiter. Earth. Another word for Terra Firma (something on this is Terrestial). Cold, Scientific.
earth: the place where we live, the soil, our home. (something from it is earthen). Warm, emotional.

Now, if the movie was called "Mother" (capitalized, without exclamation), it would mean literally "Mother", as in the female parent. But this is not about a mother in the literal sense at all.
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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2017, 11:21:PM »
My 2nd reading of the movie:

2) Aronofsky-His Lover-The Emotional world *she* builds
Bardem plays the director himself. JLaw plays the woman in his life (ironic since they were *not* in a relationship when the movie started). The house represents the emotional place she has built for them. It has no effort from him, he's only living in it, but she is doing all the work. He takes inspiration from her, and their love to make his movies. His movies get all the love, which in turn brings him all the love. and he's selfish that way. Eventually, this selfishness, allowing his love-life to be so public (or shared?) causes the break-up and destruction of their emotional place. She's then gone form his life. And he restarts with another woman.

If you take this analogy, this is an incredibly sad and personal as a movie that Aronofsky has made as a guilt-piece; an apology for what he is as a person and lover.
Of course, I don't interpret this as the primary purpose of the movie (coz then the biblical parallels won't make sense), but as another emotional layer to the movie -- the way art is always described as something personal and representative of the artist.

The title, in this case, represents the most profound form of love. The exclamation meaning it isn't literally a mother.
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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2017, 11:27:PM »
So Fizz - what was the yellow stuff she keeps drinking?

I have no idea what this is, yet. Why is it yellow?
She has it two times:
1) At the beginning, before Adam arrives.
2) During the first home-invasion scene.

And she discards it after she gets pregnant.

Hmm.
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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2017, 11:36:PM »
Never thought of it from the perspective of Aronofskys relationship with Rachel Weisz but it does make sense. At first I thought the women in the opening scene was Rachel Weisz of who you get a 2 second glimpse, but it seems my eyes were playing tricks on me.
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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2017, 11:37:PM »
Never thought of it from the perspective of Aronofskys relationship with Rachel Weisz but it does make sense. At first I thought the women in the opening scene was Rachel Weisz of who you get a 2 second glimpse, but it seems my eyes were playing tricks on me.

Nope, they weren't. That definitely was Weisz.
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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2017, 11:45:PM »
Btw, Lawrence is phenomenally good in the movie. The film is so tightly shot, it's a relief whenever we get the rare wide-shot. Most of the movie is with the camera tight on Lawrence, and she goes though the entire gamut of emotions beautifully. Hope she gets a nomination for it, at the least.
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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2017, 11:47:PM »
Yes the tight shots following JLaw around be house makes you feel disoriented as well, it made me feel that the house is a lot big than it actually was.

It was not Rachel Weisz.
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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2017, 11:51:PM »
It was not Rachel Weisz.

Nahi yaar, I'm sure it was. It definitely can't be JLaw, since it was the previous woman who burnt. Like there was a new woman in the end.
Or else they used CGI to make a Weisz-kinda looking face. I'm gonna freeze frame that once it is out on home release. Gotta know!
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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2017, 12:06:AM »
Here you go, it’s not Rachel Weisz.

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Re: mother! (Darren Aronofsky, 2017)
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2018, 12:36:AM »
Genuinely hilarious!

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